Jan Oberg said

Imagine I mean I it's not completely comparable but imagine that China was obsessed with army Hawaii to become an independent state I wonder how Washington would something like that I'm a PhD in sociology from Huawei back in time at Lund university in South Sweden so I'm a social scientist and have specialized all my academic life on peace studies that is a branch of social studies where we deal with reducing violence exactly as a doctor reduces diseases because he runs a communist country that is different from ours now if that's your attitude if that's your intellectual level that somebody who runs the country according to different principles definition the dictator I mean if you think somebody is a dictator you will treat that person his country in a different way from if you think he's just a different kind of leader from us but he's OK that The United States of America and much of the Christian world cannot live without somebody who is different threatening long believers don't do what we tell them to do and who do not accept mission so I believe that that has been speed up let's say since the last five to 10 years if I give you an example I think it's now five years ago that the Congress passed a law and listen carefully a law which set off 1500 million dollars , $1.5 billion / 5 years to train western journalists in writing negative stories about China that's done by the state agency or major in the United states now those of us who go to China or westerners who live here and see the complexities and the brought and try to understand China and Chinese premises see it differently but that is where they are they need desperately to have enemy is and if you don't have enemies and I don't see anything in China's foreign policy that is a threat to the United states it is not China that has its vessels outside California's coast or Florida's coast it is the West that has all its vessels around China, and the AUKUS cooperation with Australia and the submarines and the Germans were in the in the in your waters zone, waters around you too and the Taiwan issue I don't see China doing these things to the West imagine I mean I it's not completely comparable but imagine that China was upset with armed Howaii to become an independent state I wonder how Washington would react to something like that and therefore you invent your enemies if you want enemy and it's easy to make it, you have Russia, you have large part of the African world as it's the global South and you have China that you declare don't follow us are different from us think differently and therefore they are our enemies this is very dangerous and very sad because we could gain so much from working together. I can still only hope that there will be somebody who comes to their senses and it will not be Biden and it will not be trump and change America from the inside because the moment America with all its resources creativity and ideas and history and knowledge begin to become a partner in the world not somebody who insist on dominating over everybody else well we'll be much better place than the United states will be a much better place so I'm looking for a peaceful revolution where the Americans will rise to say enough is enough with your empire militarism we want a good society here and we want to be friends with the world the only candidate who is saying that at the moment is Robert Kennedy junior Robert F Kennedy junior but it remains to be seen whether he will have a chance to become a president I doubt it but we'll see well if you look at what I would call the social cosmology of the West it's very much made-up of center periphery one God one truth, either or thinking, male or female, left or right , not both end on. And it is handicapped by being a culture of mission or missionary you have the French word civilizational mission civilian piece, the idea that we are supposed as number one world you remembered was one called the first word of the Second World the third world and the 4th world that by the first one there is idea that we shall all move up to become like the West Europe and the United states and that idea of course is everywhere whether the colonialist to the times of Africa or elsewhere the liberation movements in the 60s they said we do not want to be we don't want to have your system whether it's Christianity or it's your way of thinking of human rights or whatever and you have the same question here in in China with the opening up of Nixon and Chow An Lai and meeting via the connection of chess freeman and Kissinger that the hope was that if we open up to China we will let you achieve two things one we will see to it that China and Russia will not be of a ganging up against us which will split you and secondly we hope China will go our way become a multiparty system where the capitalist economy and it'll be like us this be like us is over this be like us become like us is over and that's what the Americans cannot understand they still believe that they have to lead the world in must be left by the Americans and the reason they can't see it and they're in denial is that it's going down not the US state or society but as an empire and all empires go down there's no empire that has existed forever so you may say the United states today is Titanic the West is sitting as restaurants in Titanic and the water is coming up around the windows now instead of them reaching out and say OK our time is over we will be one among many and we will cooperate with you what they do is they insist on one thing and that is to dominate by means of deception on change narratives and secondly militarism I would like to predict that this occasion United States will go the same way as the Soviet Union because it it is miniaturizing itself to death the Americans don't do diplomacy diplomacy anymore they send weapons like pouring weapons because that's what they are best at but no country can survive with just being strong in one sense for instance militarily if you become politically weak you become economically weak you become psychologically weak you become weak in terms of international law and legitimacy then you are on your way down the strong country is 1 which has high level on all power indicators and do not over militarize and neglect the other power scales the United states has you can say me Mac I mean Mac military industrial media academic complex these are elites who have common interests with each other such as producing weapons selling weapons using weapons destroying countries rebuilding countries again but they do not have any common interest with the people in their countries they're outside democratic control and who said that president Dwight D Eisenhower in 1960 or one or two or whenever he made his farewell speech it's a very famous speech by a man who was a general himself who said the United states has developed a military industrial complex he didn't call it mumak as I do and we need to put it under control to remain a democracy what is undermined very very clearly now is poor list open media and our democracy in the West because everything is now geared toward fair militarism more more more there's nobody who stops to think there's nobody who stops to think about the long term consequences of pouring in weapons and never solving the conflicts you just look at what goes on on this one a country that had so much weaponry already had nuclear weapons have had a special agreement with weapons for the United states $5 billion a year I don't know for how many years what is the first reaction in Washington we must transform transfer even more weapons to Israel this is a sick society it's a sick way of thinking and of course this whole thing has to do with as I said before they're clean they all italic dream illusion that if we can get rid of Russia as an opponent and we could we created that opponent ourselves because they are never invited a NATO country they hope that they can concentrate all NATO's resources on a Cold War or God forbid or hot war against China it just go to nature's home page and you look at the threat perception nature is now characterized to be something like a church you either believe in this nonsense or you don't there's never an argument on NATO's from patient the text is China is a threat or a challenge because China is different from us China has different interests from us in the West now if that's how you define a threat everybody around the world basically is right so one thing is the military industrial complex lives from finding enemies because if you don't have enemies or say you have enemies or point somebody or make enemies you can't legitimate your own bombs development and the military industrial media academic complex will fall apart so that's why the moment we get rid of that military industrial media academic complex we can begin to talk to each other as human beings so Long story short here I think is that I wouldn't trust the American security to change much try it's got a 750 Watt rear motor 1400 Watt peak 90 nanometers of torque so it is zippy as heck it's also got a top speed of around 20 unless there is a people's revolution and not the stupid thing that that we saw in 6th of January 2 years ago but if there is an uprising in the United states say no more militaries we want a good society here we want cooperation with China and everybody else in the world we need to cooperate to solve humanities environmental problems poverty problems infrastructure problems all these things we are wasting every hour for humanities and our children's future by military isn't gonna warfare now I know that China is the second largest military power and has nuclear weapons I have a problem with that but that's my problem but the Long story short is that China wants cooperation he wants the Belton Rd. initiative he wants a good relationship with the US it may be two things we don't like in the West but it's not a reason to have a Cold War against it it's a reason to talk with it so therefore these meetings are important but we need much more dialogue in terms of online thinking we need in NGO's working together we need cultural people working together in parentheses I'm also not photographer trying to do an exhibition in China about Barlow and those types of things that can soften the hard layers undermine the hardliners who wants to later word and if you ask me Taiwan it's very simple it's China it's China and it's very clear in the community between your life and Nixon I think it's #12 is a very large document very clearly saying the United states will not interfere in this issue and so we have a one China policy it does all the things that you can do in Taiwan and I have a huge problem with that and I'm not very popular saying that in the West but if we keep on doing this you know we hope that China will be patient enough for long enough for the United states to sink on its own in that destructive self militarization that I would wish as somebody who has never hated the US and never been anti US or manti American as they say collector of American art I work with American scholars every day that the United states will come to its senses and begin to see itself as one partner of the world and not a dominator and imperialist and militarist I think it's possible we still have this possibility of rising from below in the western world and say enough is enough and looking for democracy to work that way and not looking for Biden or or do you think they would change the system we need a system change in the West peace in the world without the two biggest countries and they conomy is working together again I would have hoped the open union would be helpful the European Union could have been a mediator in a way between America's online anti China policy is on China but with from the lion obviously being more or less you know propagator of Washington having no independent mind or thinking of the European Union and with Mr. Borrell who's basically a racist remember his statement about the paradise in Europe and the joggle outside that is dangerous there's not much hope there either I was a believer in the European Union because I thought it could be another West with a more intelligent dialogue policies east West North and South than the empire over there were in Washington was but that was wrong so I'm not very optimistic on the short run and the long run I'm optimistic because the day the US empire has fallen NATO will fall apart there's no NATO without the US leadership and that's the moment where we could create a multicolor peaceful cooperative world I hope I live long enough to see that materialize

How many people died in covid19

新冠疫情全球死了750万人美国死了120万人是全世界使最多的国家, 中国死了68,000多人台湾死了17,000多人

Jeffey Sachs talk

Most Members of Congress are anti Chinese in their sentiment. Most are rather ignorant I would say of China and global realities, but whether ignorant or not they have some say and so the anti China sentiment is quite strong. We're going into an election year which is always a further. Yeah, it's an occasion of exaggeration, fear mongering and so forth. So this could even increase the tensions. The tensions over Taiwan are very, very high. There are two motivations of, well, I would say maybe 3 motivations of the US policies. And I don't agree with them. But the three motivations are first, to try to protect American industry, because America lost a lot of its industry to competition from China and from other countries in the last 30 years, and it believes that protectionism. Is the way to build the industry once again. So that's one motivation. A second motivation is deliberately to try to slow China's economic progress. This is sometimes called containment, and it's a part of the US. Policy. I even more strongly disagree with that, because I don't think it's the business of any country to try to hurt the economy of another country, even a competitor. But the United States is overtly trying to hurt China’s economy, and I really object to that. The third motivation is military, the claim that the US is taking steps to protect its. Military technology as part of competition with China, not to hurt the overall Chinese economy. I think that this argument is also greatly overblown, because while countries will have their military secrets and will aim to keep military technology secret. The United States is pursuing a very crude approach to this. Labeling so many things military on the idea that maybe it could have a military application even when the overwhelming uses are civilian. So if this were really the consideration, I think the US and China would negotiate bilaterally in specific detail over specific issues. And it's hard to make one. They're making you. So what are the implications and prospects of this? Well, first. It is possible, though not likely, that the United States would reverse some of the actions that it's taken. That is the course that I favor, because the US is imposed these steps unilaterally, not as part of any kind of negotiation with China, not under the rules of the world. Trade Organization, but simply, unilaterally. I've objected each time. But I my objection doesn't count. Other than in the public advocacy, the politics in Washington have remained quite anti China in this regard so. One possibility, though, is that as the US and China resume a strategic dialogue, which they promised to do, including High Level Economic dialogue led by the US Treasury and the Chinese officials in charge of the economy, maybe they would work out. Better arrangements and the US would remove some of its unilateral policies. I very much hope that's the case. If not. China faces a problem without question, which is that China's growth of exports to the US market has stopped. In fact, this year Chinas exports to the US are lower than in 2022 comparing month. Versus the month 12 months ago. So we can see that the US actions are already having an effect and this is part of the reason why China's growth has slowed this year. China's slower growth this year is often attributed to the financial problems in the real estate sector or specific. Within China, problems, but definitely a factor in the slowdown, is the US trade policy. So my own. Recommendations for China in response to this? Is to promote its exports in other markets. So if the US is closing. Exports to Chinese goods. I would like to see China promote its very effective, low cost, high quality exports to. The emerging economies, and China's main instrument for doing that, it seems to me, is the Belt and Rd. initiative, which is a initiative that I strongly support. It is that China lends money to other countries to buy modernized infrastructure to build the fast rail or the 5G or the renewable energy grid that those countries need and by providing low cost long term financing. China's making a big contribution to the development, say, of the ASEAN countries or East Africa or Latin America. So next month, China has the 10th Belton Rd. Summit It's the 10th anniversary of this DRI because it was launched in 2013. I would like to see China announce an expanded Belton Rd. initiative. I think that would be good for Chinas exports, good for China's economy and good for the partner countries. So if the US won't accept Chinese exports, most of the world needs them. Because most of the world still needs fast rail, renewable energy systems, 5G and other core infrastructure. And China's the low cost, high quality producer of that infrastructure and the Bri is designed precisely to finance that kind of infrastructure. So. This is an approach that I would advocate. OK, Does he hang on. No, hang on. Your dinner. The young Jenna. Probably a couple dozen, yeah, yeah, Many, many trips, many visits. I I came around 1970 and 1981, I think was the first trip, and this was a trip also to the mainland and to Hong Kong, and it was a. Very, very thrilling. And you know, as a. I think Milton Friedman may have said it, but I have felt it definitely, which is as an economist, if you don't like, if you don't love Hong Kong, you don't love economics, you know, so this is kind of home of world market economy. So it's always been amazing to be in this. Incredibly exciting and vibrant place. Hi, Foxy. Some. So the operating Hannah. Reserved now to experience Jehovah while Biltmore blooms. Well, I think we still have not seen the playing out of this story yet, because the tensions between the US and China remain very high. I. The US politics are. Not in a good shape, because most. Members of Congress are anti Chinese in their sentiment. Most are rather ignorant I would say of China and global realities, but whether ignorant or not they have some say and so the anti China sentiment is quite strong. We're going into an election year which is always a further. I. It's an occasion of exaggeration, fear mongering and so forth, So this could even increase the tensions. The tensions over Taiwan are very, very high and the bricks which. Expanded by 6 more countries a few weeks ago. And therefore constitute a very important economic group. Roughly 37% of world output measured at international prices have the determined to create a non dollar payments mechanism among the BRICS countries. So the BRICS countries are determined to create a way to engage in international trade. That skirts the international banking system. All of this will affect Hong Kong as a financial center if we go further and further down that road of a divided world. Financial system or a real Cold War? I'm hoping we will not continue in this very harmful and dangerous direction. But if we were to, and I don't think it's impossible, I think the consequences would not be good for anybody, including Hong Kong, because Hong Kong's role is as a major global center of finance, not as a center of finance for one block or another block, but as a. Major global Center for the Whole World and. Hong Kong definitely would like a united world that's trading together, that is engaged in finance together. That is the best for Hong Kong and I. That, in my view, is the best for the world too. How? Gazing Tron oil. I also know that we have a nation state system in a world where we need global governance. This is a problem because it means that our international institutions and the one that I work. At at for the United Nations is too weak. We don't have the kind of global governance to enforce the treaty or to ensure that countries don't free ride or to stop wars and so on. So I'm very much aware of that. From my printer then you type in manga. I come down which Hong Kong order something?

Kishore Mahbubani speech 3

Kishore Mahbubani speech Ladies and gentlemen, it is truly a great honor to be recognized for promoting greater understanding of China in the global community. I'm sorry to celebrate that prevented me better understanding of China in our global community, especially in the West, which has never been greater. China, the oldest continuous civilization, is a perfectly natural development, and it’s an undeniable fact that from the year one to the year 1820, the two largest global economies were always those of China and India. So the real aberration in human history was the past 200 years of Western domination. All aberrations come to a natural end, and this explains the natural resurgence of China, India, and other great Asian societies. Sadly, Western leaders and policymakers have not prepared themselves intellectually and emotionally to accept the Asian 21st century that is unfolding before our eyes. Fortunately, most of the 88% of the world that lives outside the West accepts this. Most societies in the world, especially in Asia, have had strong relations with China for centuries, if not millennia. Hence, there is deep respect for the deep pools of wisdom in Chinese civilization. By sharing its wisdom, China is helping us to create a better world of humanity. This is why the greatest global imperative today is to promote a deeper understanding of China. Even a brief study of the history of China with its record of zero overseas colonial expansion could help American policymakers lay to rest the deep fear that China is threatening America. It isn't. Instead, China's willingness to work with America and other global powers on pressing global challenges should be seen as a massive opportunity to create a better world for humanity, which now shares a 'community of common destiny for mankind.' With this award in hand, I will redouble my personal efforts to promote a better understanding of China, like the late Professor Ezra Vogel, a good friend of mine who received a similar award. I want to echo what he said: 'I am deeply moved to be recognized in China as one who has endeavored to interpret China to the world.'"

America afraid of China

China's rise as I was saying was inevitable. It was unnatural for China to go from having 25 to 30% of the world's economy in 1820; 2% in 1950, 2% was an unreal figure. It's quite natural for China to go back up and achieve the world's largest economy. For the last 200 years the number one power has always been a Western power so even when power pass, Number one power pass from the British to the Americans, even it went from one Western power to another Western power. But now we are facing a transition for the first time in 200 years, where the number one power it's gonna be a non-Western power which is China, and so this is something that the world hasn't dealt with for 200 years, and therefore it's not surprising that many do not know how to handle this transition; it is inevitable that the United states would at some point become very concerned about China's rise, and When I spent three months in America. I was shocked to discover how frightened of China and as a result, the anti Chinese sentiment has grown significantly in America and so it is inevitable the America is going to look for new ways and means of counter balancing China, And so the idea of indo Pacific what's behind the indo Pacific is a way to find to balance China's enormous growth but at the same time it will be wise for China not to react negatively to the idea of Indo-Pacific because if you look at the ancient history of Asia, many Chinese scholars, Xuan Zang, used to travel from China through Southeast Asia to India to study and there's a famous university called Nalanda university in Bihar, so the Indo Pacific and maybe an idea that the Americans are creating is also a good description of ancient Asian history and it's good for us to recreate all connections of the past I think that it would be India’s national interests to work with China, on the belt and Road. initiative but right now there's a small technical problem which is that as part of the belt and Road. initiative China and Pakistan have established the China Pakistan economic corridor which goes through territory which is disputed between Pakistan and India; so as a result of that, it is, I think natural that India has to object that But that can be overcome and you can find Ways and Means of overcoming those differences, and to focus on areas where they can work together because frankly one thing that India needs very badly today is good infrastructure and the infrastructure superpower the world for there is China. So China, India partnership to build a good infrastructure, will be a tremendous boost the India economy, so in some ways the Belt and Road on initiative is also an Indo Pacific idea, because the Belt and Road initiative is not just about the old Silk Road, going across Central Asia but there's also a road a maritime silk road that goes through Southeast Asia through India to the middle east. So there's no incompatibility behind the BRI idea, that Belt and Road initiative and the Indo-Pacific idea. I think there's no, if you look at China's long history; if China had had the same imperialist instincts, global imperial instinct as the Western countries, Australia should have been a Chinese country, but instead of, Australia was a Western country because the British colonizers came all the way from the Atlantic to the Pacific to colonize Australia so I think that hasn't been this traditionally this impulse in Chinese history to go out around the world and to conquer the world and so that's something that I think that long history of China I think is a reassuring sign for the world that when China becomes a great power it will not try to repeat what the West did at the height of its power and colonize the world. But we are at a fork in the road, so if the US and China, for example, this can happen, decide to go for zero sum competition Where will win for one is a loss for the other, then it will be a very troubled world, and you'll see lots of geopolitical turbulence around the world, But you take the other road, and if the US and China decide that, yes they have differences they will compete in some areas there will be economic competition economic competition is good for the world but there will be or military containment policies, then you could have overall a more stable world order, but nobody knows what's going to happen because the America leaders don't know what China is going to do and they don't know what they will do And China’s leaders also do not know what America's leaders will do nor can they predict how they will respond to this too. China is already Number One. America is in pain because they can not kill Huawei, Da Jiang and Biyadi etc.

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Ramondo终于开展了，报仇计划待会我们再来讲。我们现在讲叶轮叶轮被比亚迪逼到没地方跑。因为汽车工业的供应链太长了，我跟各位讲啊，手机啊，手机的全部组合了，零组件家一家不会超过一千个汽车供应链超过一万个，所以他联动到的消费还有生产是非常非常庞大的。我举例比如说比亚迪。卖到假设是卖到美国，然后造成美国的汽车销路不好，这不是只影响到UAW是美国汽车工会，美国汽车工会就是最后完成汽车制造的这个工会啊，它的成员是38万。这个只是汽车是整车成型，最后的那个组装是汽车工会做的，那你想一想它里面的零组件一万。比如他要坐沙发。那就会联动到沙发的制造业。他要做一大堆东西啊轮圈啊，轮胎啊，一大堆啊。所以我跟你讲它所联动的供应链。在美国的就业量，我认为一定超过150万。所以耶伦就出来叫了。我不行的，你不能这样啊，我们搞不过你啊所以你肯定有补贴啊。不就是这样吗？去看看美国自己干了什么事。我们把这一页放全页。你就知道美国多离谱，我们没有看到啊。这这一页啊，你来看这个是华盛顿邮报就爆料。说，拜登在推电动车的计划呀。结果嘞。他通过了。两党都支持啊。在两年前通过了一个75亿美元的电动充电桩的计划。结果经过两年，这个是二十万支电动桩的计划，二十万只啊，结果经过两年竟然只做了七个站。总共做了38只。你们不是这种效率啊你，你搞个屁呀，搞电动车。华盛顿邮报报道，拜登说，2030要在全美搞五十万座电动车公共充电站，那国会拨款了75亿美元之后，目前只有七座充电站建成。我们来看看报告。这个是黄色的邮报的报道。75亿美元。那五十亿是给各州去盖。结果搞了半天，只盖了七座。38只。到底要怪谁啊？总共要做啊，对不起啊，是两万五千个充电站总共两万只。结果你搞了两年，只做了38只。所以你这种国家就是有问题吗？我坦白讲，你自己内部利益冲突嘛，反对电动车的。那个石化业啊，传统汽车业的团体一大堆。特朗普称，川普也反对。你还怪别人？好，接下来我们看华为啊Rondo的仇家。我们都这个华为啊。去年净利增1.4倍啊，获利。这个是台币的啊，我们看它的营收了哦你看这个华为的营收啊，这是人民币啊。华为2023年营收回到870亿人民币，我认为他今年很有机会去追2021那个数字。呃哦，这个是利润呢？我说错了，这个营收倒回到了7042亿。2020是8900亿啊，我认为今年应该就会冲到这个数字，那尽力呢871啊。我不知道这个Mate六零Pro是去年8月29号才横空出世。所以它的黄金时代才刚开始啊。那最近要推出P70啊，然后今年应该会有Mate七零吧啊等等。华为好威啊。结果当然就造成了苹果这个就是销售量。苹果华为增加了26%14。苹果跌了24。就是我们用今年来跟去年的比啊。所以我们就看到库克啊，跑到中国大陆去做公关秀啊，要挽救他的销售。我市长最近也看到一些资料苹果的供应链。正逐渐的离开中国。像最近苹果做那个超级贵的那个vision Pro。就是一台要3500美元那个啊。那个需求整合那个VR, 他的中国供应链只占7%。只有7%, 就是中国公司，它实际上在减少使用。那你认为这种事情大陆会不知道吗？啊，更何况你的手机啊性价比啦，或者科技创新啦，各种功能的多元化啦，都没有进步啊。所以人家就跑去买别的手机了。啊。比如说小弟再次托朋友帮我买了荣耀v two，因为我要买一只折叠机啊，因为老人家要看大字版之类的。苹果到现在都没有折叠机啊，你没有发现。你是多老大。什么都没有。三星有折叠机华为有折叠机，荣耀有折叠机，你就偏偏不干。就是这样子啊？也难怪来销售变差。结果呢？美国生气了，我们来看这一页。他怪罪到哪里？华为怎么可以做出期待。目前盛传航空华为今年会做出无奈，美国气的不知道怎么办。所以决定对公中心呢？我跟各位讲啊，美国现在决定对。这个美国商务部最近又公布了一个长达133页的半导体的制裁的名单。其中一个就是给华为供应链的所有的半导体的名单全部都制裁。这个叫Romano的报酬美国商务部长报仇来了。怪不得我把它去抓叫辣馒头哦，我们辣馒头女士发威了，而且不止啊，它还针对中国。人工智能的。供应链全部制裁。那种黑名单？就是这样。哦。就是这样啊，就是他就。疯了，美国就来了。第二波刚公布刚公布。这个。就是我觉得这个中国大陆一定会是这样处理的。中芯国际，那你那个做了尖端芯片的那个团队啊，那你们就透过。特殊管道的安排到华为上班好了吗？反正华为这个叫做，反正已经够黑了，就不怕你在抹黑啊。那反正债多不愁了，华为市场没有在了，他是赚钱的，就是我最黑啊。那反正美国也暂不能对华为怎样，我们就看到中国开始回首。中国大陆开始实施它有一个单位叫中国信息安全测评中心，开始公布安全可靠的相关的科技名单哦，全部都是中国的公司啊。呃，政府呢？企业开始派出英特尔还有AMD的处理晶片。所以你可以看到英特尔的老板还有。AMD输之风啊。紧张了。跑到中国。事实上，我跟各位讲。NVIDIA啊，就是英伟达。我们台湾翻成灰打吧啊，那英伟达。黄仁勋已经有人去做统计了，就是因为大家去年第四季。在中国的营收占总营收。大概还有差不多24%, 那今年第一季。大跌啊，跌到个位数。可能只是要四到5%, 搞不好更低。你就知道美国政府的威力。美国政府，你要这样搞，人家当然回敬你, 所以我们就看到这个文件出现; 我们看一下看一下这个文件就出现了，这个叫安全可靠测评结果报告。那中国政府就定了一个。安全可靠测评工作指南啊。然后公布了安全可靠测评的结果，有效期三年，这什么时候公布的呢？是十二月二十六，我们看第一页，这个叫CPU。CPU的名单有18个，全部都中国的公司里，我看见我从右边走，总共列出了。六家中国的公司，深圳的海思半导体龙芯中科技术无锡先进技术研究院飞腾信息技术有限公司海。光信息技术，还有上海兆芯集成电路。我跟各位讲一下最下面那一家上海兆芯集成电路。这个创办人。有台湾人的，不过他已经住在大陆了。这个是有关中央处理器的部分。也难怪。AMD跟英特尔会紧张啊。你用人家就用自己的。好，第二页操作系统。这个提供的公司有三家。麒麟软件公司统信软件技术有限公司中科方德软件。哦，就是这样。然后集中式的数据库，这公司可多了啊。这个就是我们看到中国大陆现在到处都是大波形啊，数据库啦，总公司一大堆哦，那当然这个跟人工智能有关的，所以你就看到一大堆公司有什么阿里云腾讯云那一大堆啊，这个我就不练了啊，因为它列出11家公司。所以这意味着什么？意味着未来中国的中央处理器操作软件还有数据库。就用自己的啦，你美国竟然认为我不安全，那我也不要用你的，用你的也很不安全啊。不就这样吗？全面在地化这不是你逼出来的吗？所有我再讲啊，你的叶轮再去BB看你再去逼啊，让中国电动车就不用外国零件你再去逼啊。华为今年就可以做到。无奈就是这样。奔头啊。气疯了，我们落班头女士。总用出了制裁案，中国大陆也回敬，目前就是这个样子。结果呢？大家记不记得美国那个众议员盖拉格刚到台湾那一会啊，拜访了赖清德，也拜访了韩国瑜那位。他不干了大家记不记得？反中小组的召集人呢？突然不干。原来他要做这件事啊。我们恍然大悟了，因为最近就传出啊。我们这个放权业。美国大数据最有名的一家公司哦，在Colorado的一家公司。他做数据监控是最有名的叫帕兰铁，就这家公司哦，PLANTI啊，这是一家很有名的公司。Plan，Dior的资深顾问。赫尔伯格筹集筹组科技业。要跟美国的国与国国那个国会议员开会啊，五月要开会。游说美国国会对中国大陆的人工智能施加更多限制。那目前美国众议院的议长江沈已经表示他会出席。哎，怎么那么巧啊。盖拉格四月就辞职了。他就是要来这家公司。那不就摆明了就是要协助来运作五月这个。关说游说吗？就美国的人工智能。人工智能界。公然的要求美国国会要制裁中国的人工智能，你知道吗？做生意，有人做成这个样。你现在这个你现在越来越来，越看越抗拒清楚他的嘴脸。你只要快追上他，他受不了了就开始用政治力量要叫美国政府来制裁你。不然我会被追上。会不会吹过？这个planted这家公司曾经参与协助美军定位后来逮到了宾拉登。这个数据监控整个系统协助做军事上的人工智能的决策。这个决策系统就是跑难题而发明。那现在该拿给要去这家公司。可是偏偏这个时候纽约时报登了这个独家新闻。我们就看到。到底美国人工智能在pass。你怎么会去找？盖拉格。去组织游说团体。要国会。通过制裁法方案要美国政府来协助制裁中国的人工智能公司，你怎么那么丢脸？因为他们看到了这种现象这个美国纽约时报把它登出来了。因为有一个字库叫马可波罗制。说。人工智能的人才啊。顶级的工程师。经过各种调查，发现。很多，几乎都是来自中。就是人才库。所以我就去看了那个智库的报告，我们这个放权页，哎，你再看这一页你就知道。这个马可波罗智库登的这一页你看到从最左手边哦大学毕业。大学毕业，你看那个。橘红色那个条啊，中国这么大一条啊。那中国呢？后来就在中国练研究所，然后后来就去待在中国就业，你看那个中国最右边人工智能的，从中国的人才，他只得到这么一小块，那你看最右边那个美国蓝色那一块，他大学毕业的本地生没多少人啊。可是到了研究生就变得很很长一条。为什么呢？因为它汇聚了全世界的学生。然后你就看到最右边那个结果是美国的人工智能的实际雇用的人才变成一长条啊。大概比中国多出1/3。简单讲啊。简单讲啊。就是中国有大量的人才跑到美国了吗？而且被美国雇佣了，就这个意思吧啊。啊，当然这样说，这是他主要的发现了。马可波罗他这样说啊，他说中国这个研究人工智能的研究人的人，这个人员啊，中国跟美国大概顶尖的人才，他顶尖的人才是指那2%的人了。2%。就是人工智能。很多人在从事这个行业吗？顶尖人才，他只取2%。然后他用了2%去分析他是从哪里来的。结果发现中国跟美国占了75%。台湾看到这种恐惧你会流汗吗？台湾怎么会落后成这样呢？我刚刚看到这个图啊。竟然没有台湾你没发现。没有台湾呢。你就知道台湾的人工智能有多落后。不管啊，这个中国跟美国的人才占了顶尖2%的人才的75怕。这是2023年。2019年只占58帕。2019年顶尖2%的人工智能的人才。来自中国，跟美国是58。啪。到了2023年变成75，怕其中减少最多的就是欧洲。简单讲就是欧洲的人工智能被打败了。那主要是被谁打败被中国打败因为中国的崛起太快。他不只压低了美国的占比，也压低了欧洲的占比。中国。这个2019年只占29 percent。那到了2022年，赞47不是。47呀。这顶尖2%的人工智能的人才，中国占了47 percent。在我们这个就了解这个状况啊这个。然后他又发现了另外一件事这也蛮重要的。他说啊，这个在外国工作顶尖的人工智能人才有42不甚是外国人。那在2019年呢，是55 percent。也就是说2019年的时候，很多中国人都在华人啊，都应该都是中国人啊。他在海外就业。人工智能2019至55吧。那现在降下来。现在整个的外国人是42，怕为什么呢？因为中国大陆自己的人工智能公司崛起了，所以他们回家就业了。回家就业了，我们看几张图了，简单看完图就做一个结束了啊。2019年美国是65趴。啊就是。最顶尖的人工智能的研究员在哪里工作顶尖的2%了啊2019，你看中国不在里面。美国独占鳌头65，怕那到了2022年呢，在中国就业有12怕。那美国跌到57帕。好。然后这个是它的来源呢啊。这个不管。这个不管他在哪里就业啊。那它的来源中国大陆到了2022年它就高达了。这个有26不甚。那跟美国接近。把这个事。主要的人工智能的研究机构，你可以看到，在2019年的时候，中国大陆只有两家，这个橘红色清华大学北京大学。那到了2022年呢？你看那个成长的线。那个清华大学就几乎追上第二名了。第二名是史丹佛大学。第一名是Google。坦白讲，这个你必须佩服美国的企业。他们真的是很震撼。那中国第一还是北京大学，他也追上。那中国增加了另外四个单位。这个是中国科学院。那这个是上海交通大学浙江大学。有没有看到下面那个就是我们的华为公司啊。中国终于有民间企业挤进来。就进来了。所以你可以看到2022年的光景就变成这样，那我认为未来一定更多的。因为中国人工智能的产业现在跟爆炸一样，跟爆炸一样。哎，你再看这一页啊。这是2022年，他说，这些主要在美国工作，在美国工作。你看，在美国工作的华人占38，啪，然后在美国出生的是37。啪。简单讲就是中国人才在为美国效力。就是这样啊。所以美国你可以在***看看看到时候这些人会不会有被迫回去。就是这样啊。因为前一阵子本来中国有千人计划，他是乐见中美科技合作的。可是美国就到处怀疑啊，说他们跟中国有来往啊等等等啊。结果有1400人离开美国。接下来就看美国。看你要在搞到什么程度啊你人工智能领域。在美国上班的。有3488是来自中国的人才。那这一个呢？就是。就是他这个是在哪一个国家大学毕业的哦，那你可以看到他的比例就更高了。这个中国大陆是47本身啊，那最后一个表就是。这个主要是在哪个国家工作呢？你可以看到美国从2019年的59%, 中国那个时候只有11%，那现在中国变成28%，美国42%, 。总之我们从这里看出大概做几结论，就美国商务部终于提出报复华为的措施, 所以一口气公布了130几页制裁华为的半导体供应链, 中芯国际首当其冲。也包括了人工智能的相关的半导体的供应链都被制裁，那中国也不客气，中国反手就丢出了”安全可靠评测” 的一些中国公司的产品。包括中央处理器CPU，包括作业系统。然后包括数据库。所以以后这里就一刀两断。科技脱钩了。半导体，美国跟中国大概已经要脱钩了。华为今年如果再做出五奈米的手机啊，那半导体，我认为美国就是基本上已经没没有被招了，没招了。那接下来的领域我们就看到。电动车又开始。叶轮老奶奶即将去中国，要跟中国抱怨说你们卖那么多，那我们怎么办？坦白说，美国车是超级烂啊，中国根本没有把美国车当对手。中国车的对手其实是日本车啊，我跟各位讲。因为德国卖得比较好的车是高级车。这种车中国比较少，中国做了大部分都是平价车，比如说比亚迪，他凭什么做到七百万辆？那当然是平价车吗？平价车现在全世界做的最多的就是日本。就是日本的。所以日本紧张得要命。美国这样瞎紧张啊。哎呀，没有人把美国车当对手。美国在那边瞎紧张啊，你知道吧，那结果现在耶伦老奶奶要来。让我们也看到人工智能，人家就去做了人才来源的分析啊。就中国大陆这个迅猛追赶的速度，让美国又开始紧张了。所以美国戏骨啊，戏骨这辈子从来没有那么***。姓谷座人工智能的领域。由科罗拉多作这个Palantir这家公司带头,还延揽了。盖拉革来上班, 准备去游说国会。反中制裁启动有关人工智能的部分。偏偏美国的人工智能公司华人占比超过你本地人出生的占比。我真的不知道接下来美国还能怎么搞。这些人火大，回去中国就业。中国的人工智能为什么会有优势？我以后再来做这个题目。中国人工智能为什么会崛起这么快？为什么会让美国感到忧虑？因为中国能够汇聚的数据库实在太大。他所能够得到的民间的资金，政府的资金，还有政府的协助的政策比美国好太多了。哪有像你那个拜登啊？说要搞电动车啊。结果电装两年只盖出了38只，你不笑死人吗？只搞出七个站。说要做两万只, 搞到现在，只有38只。这种政府效率这种政策规划的能力你怎么竞争呢 联大秘书长公开谴责欧盟对待加萨跟乌克兰不要搞双标。然后嘞。拜登。那塔尼亚胡打电话说进攻拉法就是一个错误。知道。以色列给美国一个面子。因为穆斯林的斋戒月是3月10号开始，一直到4月9号。也就是说下礼拜就结束了。决定斋戒月不出手。可是他说他在介意结束他也是要打。那就是这样啊。就是。啊，加拿大的外长赵北来他取了一个中文名字，很有意思。他说未来不会卖武器给以色列。加拿大这个是一个指标啊，因为五眼联盟里面最听美国话的就是加拿大。啊，所以目前已经开始出现这种现象。这个现象。这个现象就是说。你实在太过头了。这个大概就是我们看到我认为以色列这个事情应该会在两个月里面。大概搞定了。其实最麻烦的是乌克兰啊，我跟大家讲。因为乌克兰对欧洲太重要了如果乌克兰投降，那拜登今年十一月也不用选。所以我们跟各位讲今年卡到了美国大选。拜登，无论如何，乌克兰战争他是不会停。那他一定要撑到十一月以后。然后嘞，欧洲很怕。说，乌克兰如果投降了就轮到我打或者轮到我被打。所以他无论如何也要死。朋友，不要使自己啊，讲白了，就这样吧，所以肯定会再挤出钱来给出军备给乌克兰的哦。就是这个小老弟啊，你继续去战死吧不要，我轮到我战死。就是这样啊。不过这个是二五跟这个加沙战争的部分，这个是我们今天的一个重点。另外一个重点其实更也很重要，就是中国跟美国的较劲，我认为是越来越严重。不过这个独显出美国。他是暴露他的制造业的弱点他是不只是制造业啊，连人工智能他也倍感压力啊。我们就看到叶轮啊，叶轮即将去中国大陆。让他去之前就开始拉高音派的论调。他说啊，2023年中国电动车的出口是2019年的七倍。太阳能板的出口是2018年的五倍。挤压了欧美绿能产业的空间，而且这种出口还在继续增加。中国仍然出口优先，这可能会导致中国跟欧盟还有中国跟美国在2024年呢走向贸易对抗。我跟你讲，他已经开始丢鹰派的论调了。你不觉得这个很可笑吗？你做出人家你就开始讲这种东。中国电。动车出口会暴增，太阳能板出口会暴增，就是因为它性价比高吗？不然还用说吗？那你接下来苹果手机卖得不好。李斯也要怪中国的手机出口啊。就变成一个，很可笑。你的产品强势，你就主张自由贸易。你的产品被人家比过去了你就开始认为对方有补贴搞保护主义。就是这样啊。不是自由竞争吗？经济学人不是号召自由竞争吗？怎么不讲话了？经济学人呢，是我最看不起的杂志了。政治挂帅太明显。都是跟叶轮一样。他，你不是主张自由竞争嘛，自由贸易啊。你怎么开始用双标呢？这种人，那个人看不起。你是媒体，你不是叶轮啊，我还比较同情叶轮呢，因为他从政了，他必须帮拜登讲话。那个人脑袋就跟浆糊一样。叶轮只能够讲出浆糊的语言，那不然怎么办呢？就是这个样子, 所以你看拜登的立场就是这样,美国跟英国将调查中国电动车的补贴, 中国立刻回呛”保护是落后，失去的是未来”, 中国外交部新闻发言人林剑，这个又跑来一个大帅哥，不是讲的公平竞争嘛? 才能够促成技术进步嘛，这不是西方的理论吗？那现在你自己竞争力不行，那就开始拿出补贴, 国安的理由啦，说什么比亚比亚迪的车会回传资料啊，华为有后门，然后还一堆理由，连那个巴尔的摩大桥断裂都有人说, 是不是中国搞了遥控船去撞的？这个国家已经疯了你知道吧，已经疯了。振华重工人家用远程遥控修复减低成本。你也说他在监控美国的码头，你看这国家是不是疯了？就是这样的。你想一想。不是说人家补贴就说人家有国安的疑虑，只因为我的产品竞争输人家就这样, 这个就是比亚迪，比亚迪就是令Yellen头痛，现在是 华为让Gina Raimondo头痛, 比亚迪让Yellen头痛, 比亚迪七百万辆新能源汽车下线, 这太恐怖了。等一下会讲到科技战，这个Raimondo还在报仇，商务部长，他上次去访问中国的时候,刚好变成mate pro 20的宣传代言人。记恨到现在？终于开展了报仇计划, 待会我们再来讲，我们现在讲Yellen被比亚迪逼到没地方跑。因为汽车工业的供应链太长了，我跟各位讲啊，手机啊，手机的全部组合了，零组件不会超过一千个, 汽车供应链超过一万个，所以他联动到的消费还有生产是非常非常庞大的。我举例比如说比亚迪。卖到假设是卖到美国，然后造成美国的汽车销路不好，这不是只影响到UAW, UAW是美国汽车工会，美国汽车工会就是最后完成汽车制造的这个工会啊，它的成员是38万。这个只是汽车是整车成型，最后的那个组装是汽车工会做的，那你想一想它里面的零组件一万。比如他要做沙发,那就会联动到沙发的制造业。他要做一大堆东西,轮圈啊，轮胎啊，一大堆啊。所以我跟你讲它所联动的供应链。在美国的就业量，我认为一定超过150万。所以耶伦就出来叫了。不行啦，你不能这样啊，我们搞不过你, 所以你肯定有补贴啊。不就是这样吗？去看看美国自己干了什么事。你就知道美国多离谱，我们没有看到,你来看这是华盛顿邮报爆料。说，拜登在推电动车的计划,结果,他通过了,两党都支持,在两年前通过了一个75亿美元的电动充电桩的计划。结果经过两年，这个二十万支电动桩的计划，二十万只，结果经过两年竟然只做了七个站。总共做了38只。你们不是这种效率，你搞个屁呀，搞电动车。华盛顿邮报报道，拜登说，2030要在全美搞五十万座电动车公共充电站，那国会拨款了75亿美元之后，目前只有七座充电站建成。我们来看看报导,这个是黄色的邮报的报导。75亿美元,是给各州去盖。结果搞了半天，只盖了7座,38只(spot)。到底要怪谁啊？总共要做啊，对不起啊，是两万五千个充电站总共两万只。结果你搞了两年，只做了38只。所以你这种国家就是有问题吗？我坦白讲，你自己内部利益冲突嘛，反对电动车的。那个石化业啊，传统汽车业的团体一大堆。特朗普称，川普也反对。你还怪别人？好，接下来我们看华为, Raimondo的仇家。华为去年净利增1.4倍获利,我们看它的营收, 华为的营收人民币。华为2023年营收回到870亿人民币，我认为他今年很有机会去追2021的数字, 这个是利润？我说错了，这个营收倒回到了7042亿。2020是8900亿啊，我认为今年应该就会冲到这个数字，那净利871亿。我不知道这个Mate六零Pro是去年8月29号才横空出世。所以它的黄金时代才刚开始啊。那最近要推出P70，然后今年应该会有Mate70等等。华为好威。结果当然就造成了苹果,这个就是销售量。华为增加了64%,苹果跌了24%,就是我们用今年来跟去年的比。所以我们就看到库克跑到中国大陆去做公关秀，要挽救他的销售。我最近也看到一些资料苹果的供应链。正逐渐的离开中国。像最近苹果做那个超级贵的那个vision Pro。就是一台要3500美元。那个,需求整合那个VR, 他的中国供应链只占7%。只有7%, 就是中国公司，它实际上在减少使用。那你认为这种事情大陆会不知道吗？更何况你的手机性价比啦，或者科技创新啦，各种功能的多元化啦，都没有进步啊。所以人家就跑去买别的手机了。比如说小弟再次托朋友帮我买了荣耀v 2，因为我要买一只折叠机啊，因为老人家要看大字版之类的。苹果到现在都没有折叠机啊，你没有发现。你是多老大。什么都没有。三星有折叠机华为有折叠机，荣耀有折叠机，你就偏偏不干。就是这样子啊？也难怪来销售变差。结果呢？美国生气了，我们来看这一页。他怪罪到哪里？华为怎么可以做出7奈米。目前盛传华为今年会做出5奈米，美国气的不知道怎么办。所以决定对付中芯？我跟各位讲，美国现在决定,这个美国商务部最近又公布了一个长达133页的半导体的制裁的名单。其中一个就是给华为供应链的所有的半导体的名单全部都制裁。这就是Raimondo的报仇, 美国商务部长报仇来了。怪不得我把它取叫辣馒头，我们辣馒头女士发威了，而且不止啊，它还针对中国人工智能的供应链全部制裁。列入黑名单,就是这样,就是这样，就是他疯了，美国又来了第二波, 刚公布这个。就是我觉得这个中国大陆一定会是这样处理的。中芯国际，做尖端芯片的那个团队，那你们就透过。特殊管道的安排到华为上班好了吗？反正华为这个叫做，反正已经够黑了，就不怕你在抹黑啊。那反正债多不愁了，华为市场没有在了，他是赚钱的，就是我最黑啊。那反正美国也暂不能对华为怎样，我们就看到中国开始回首。中国大陆开始实施它有一个单位叫中国信息安全测评中心，开始公布安全可靠的相关的科技名单，全部都是中国的公司啊。呃，政府呢？企业开始派出英特尔还有AMD的处理晶片。所以你可以看到Intel的老板还有。AMD苏姿丰紧张, 跑到中国。事实上，我跟各位讲。NVIDIA啊，就是英伟达,我们台湾翻成辉达，那英伟达黄仁勋已经有人去做统计，就是英伟达去年第四季在中国的营收占总营收,大概还有差不多24%, 那今年第一季, 大跌，跌到个位数,可能只是要4到5%, 搞不好更低。你就知道美国政府的威力。美国政府，你要这样搞，人家当然回敬你, 所以我们就看到这个文件出现; 我们看一下这个文件就出现了，这个叫安全可靠测评结果报告。那中国政府就定了一个。安全可靠测评工作指南啊。然后公布了安全可靠测评的结果，有效期三年，这什么时候公布的呢？是十二月二十六，我们看第一页，这个叫CPU。CPU的名单有18个，全部都中国的公司里，总共列出六家中国的公司，深圳的海思半导体龙芯中科技术无锡先进技术研究院飞腾信息技术有限公司海。光信息技术，还有上海兆芯集成电路。我跟各位讲一下最下面那一家上海兆芯集成电路。这个创办人。有台湾人的，不过他已经住在大陆了。这个是有关中央处理器的部分。也难怪。AMD跟英特尔会紧张啊。不给人家用,就用自己的，第二页操作系统。这个提供的公司有三家。麒麟软件公司统信软件技术有限公司中科方德软件。集中式的数据库，这公司可多了, 这个就是我们看到中国大陆现在到处都是大模型，数据库，总公司一大堆哦，那当然这个跟人工智能有关的，所以你就看到一大堆公司有什么阿里云腾讯云那一大堆啊，这个我就不练了啊，因为它列出11家公司。所以这意味着什么？意味着未来中国的中央处理器操作软件还有数据库。就用自己的啦，你美国竟然认为我不安全，那我也不要用你的，用你的也很不安全啊。不就这样吗？全面在地化这不是你逼出来的吗？所有我再讲啊，你Yellen再去逼逼看你再去逼，让中国电动车就不用外国零件, 你再去逼, 华为今年就可以做到5奈米, 就是这样。

Kishore Mahbubani Speech

Distinguished Fellow at the Asia Research Institute (ARI), National University of Singapore(NUS): Kishore Mahbubani Ladies and gentlemen it is truly a great honor to be recognized for my efforts to promote the greater understanding of China in the global community I'm truly sorry that I cannot be there in person with you today to celebrate this award.sadly prior commitments have prevented me from joining you The need to develop a better understanding of China in our global community especially in the West, has never been greater. The return of China, the world’s oldest continuous civilization is a perfectly natural development. It’s an undeniable fact that from the year one to the year 1820. The two largest global economies were always those of China and India, so the real aberration in human history, was the past 200 years of western domination. All aberrations come to a natural end. This explains the natural resurgence of China, India and the other great Asian society. Sadly, western leaders and policymakers exactly and policymakers have not prepared themselves, intellectually and emotionally to accept the ancient 21st century that is unfolding before our eyes. Fortunately most of the 88% of the world that lives outside the West accept this. Most societies in the world especially in Asia have had strong relations with China for centuries, if not millennia; hence the deep respect for the deep pools of wisdom in Chinese civilization. By sharing its wisdom, China is helping us to create a better world for humanity This is why the greatest global imperative today is to promote a deeper understanding of China even a brief study of the history of China with this record of zero overseas colonial expansion, could help American policymakers lay to rest their deep fear that China is threatening America. It isn’t. Instead, China's willingness to work with America and other global power to address pressing global challenges, should be seen as a massive opportunity to create a better world for humanity which now shares a community of common destiny for mankind. With this award in hand I will redouble my personal effort to promote a better understanding of China; like the late Ezra Vogel, a good friend of mine, who received a similar award. I wanted to echo what he said,and I quote “I'm deeply moved to be recognized in China as one who is seriously endeavored to interpret China to the West. 2 Seems to have civil war 1949 so my first question is people are so interested in maybe curious like why did you think of for and what you think about playing such a key role because regulations it's because of Chinese heritage report type number one very historic i must say you know many people in the world future especially on the national relations then you have a meeting that brings in our sunshine into the world so with the meeting between she Jinping and why in June is going to bring a lot of sunshine in the world because it shows that you can have a very intractable problem like the one cross the Taiwan straits and many people have given up hope and you could have happened and now you can hear demonstrating that we can take an intractable problem and try to resolve so I give a lot of credit to both teaching the pleasure of meeting in person hmm and that's about singapore's role I think it's a very complicated story I think it started with the role of Mr. Lee kwan you after whom I was school is named because I think Mr. liquor knew was a good friend of the leaders of China and a good friend the leaders of Taiwan and so as a result of that he developed the trust of both the leaders and therefore it's quite natural that the first ever meeting with China and Iran took place in Singapore over 20 years ago and since then Singapore has maintained its position of trust with both countries and therefore when the time came for a higher level meeting was perfectly natural so as you mentioned this truly ponyo is a leader that highly respected among the world community so actually when talking about this Xi Jinping online just meeting this time many people across both sides across street will think about 1993 that's a very important from coming here yeah so this really ponyo was very important at that time so he actually attributed to that historical meaning and that was the groundbreaking meeting at that time so why was this her late from you so concerned about cross what was his explanation I think of course was very concerned about primarily about the development of Singapore but he saw that singapore's future was tied to what happened to the region at large also what happened to the major powers in the region and as you know in around that time sometimes relations between US and China will go up and down and one of the core issues in the US China relationship was the question about what to do what I want and there was even a danger and war breaking out so go last week to avoid a wall of conflict or tension in the United States and China was to find Ways and Means of diffusing the Taiwan issue I think we have accomplished that starting of course from the meeting in Singapore there are lots of other factors at play obviously but often the most difficult step as you know the when you take a journey of 1000 miles the first step is very important exactly so we are 1000 mile journey and you see that haven't got there by the way this meeting not everything but you certainly changed the chemistry and demosphere significantly but you would have to start the process on the road and that was the contribution that Mister so many people have so much many expectations on this xinping among this meeting for example in Taiwan people mentioned that if there is a possibility that it touched the issue like China might be considering the possibility of withdrawing missile and the Taiwan or letting Taiwan has more room participating in the international organization so in your personal perspective do you think that this meeting is more symbolic than substantial or actually we can really touch something substantial I'm learning diplomacy that symbolism and substance school can I mean for example if symbolically I'll give you a very dramatic example there was a time when in theory The United states recognized Taiwan as a legitimate government of China mainland China was considered illegal OK and then Henry Kissinger yeah that was 1972 that was never symbolic meeting substantive ohh OK symbolic meaning showing that a major change I've taken place Clear Lake to very substantive changes and the eventual recognition of mainland China by the United states America so essentially number that that's an example of how symbolism and substance called so in the meeting dress and she and lying doing Singapore there will be a lot of symbolism if that leads to greater trust and understanding and clearly things are greater space for firewall in terms of participation in international organizations in fact I was in Taiwan having a meeting we are either lying you on the day when China gave their agreement that Taiwan could participate in the World Health Organization wow amazing so I've I've seen our history has changed within China and Taiwan and I also believe by the way very important we emphasize this in international relations you take 2 steps forward sometimes you take one step back still moving OK and I think the long term trend can continue to be positive within China this time in Taiwan some people are concerned about the negative effect of this meeting for example like DPP the opposite party in Taiwan the chairman of this timing word who might be the next president of Taiwan because this front runner of the pole right so she is kind of concerned that the meeting will be like a friend to limit the future development of the crash rates because the one China policy now China conducts it's not like totally accepted by the hotel people how do you see from that I'm not gonna come in sure is that the Singapore politics but I I do believe that even if you are with the DPP you have to deal with international realities you cannot change international reality when you change political parties OK and China's standing in the world you so you have to much more powerful in 1980 in P terms China's GDP was less than 10% of United States today PPP terms Chinese GNP is bigger and you had States and in 15 years time you may be twice the size of the United states this is a new reality so no matter what party you come for you have to deal with this reality and every bridge that is built within China and Taiwan but help the people of hi this sense in the long run I believe that even the DP would have to be realistic and acknowledged that the world has changed OK so Singapore is the small country but it's very influential and very powerful around the world among the world so compared to Taiwan Taiwan is small but we also want to be powerfully so the Singapore experience and the single module what will be your suggestions to town one that we can learn or borrow from your experience you know I gave a lecture to the students of the liquid new school of public policy in which I give away the secrets of Singapore success and I bought it down to a three word formula let it docs pragmatism honesty meritocracy is about serving the best people who run your government pragmatism is always about being realistic and adjusting your policies to deal with real world and honestly meaning there should be no corruption and in the area of international relations no country in the world has been more pragmatic than singaporeans we accept the fact that is a small country we have to we have price takes you know price makers even international relations change we have to change and adjust so if we try to go against international reality it's about taking your head and knocking against a brick wall different so I noticed that the culture of pragmatism hasn't become as strong as it should be and I would recommend you bring it back that this is. Jan Oberg Political science academic, peace researcher, the director of Transnational Foundation for Peace & Future Research He probably doesn't like imagine I mean I it's not completely comparable but imagine that China was obsessed with farming away to become an independent state I wonder how Washington would we have to something like that I'm a PhD in sociology from way back in time at the university in South Sweden so I'm a social scientist and I have specialized all my academic life on peace studies that is a branch of social studies where we deal with reducing violence exactly as a doctor reduces diseases if he or she can and then disseminating this through research public outreach and activities on the ground I worked in a lot of war zones invite to heal wounds afterwards it's always very difficult to find in reality we've we beneath those types of personal meetings my quick reading on CNN and BBC and others are what happened yesterday was benevolent Chinese president to emphasize cooperation who emphasize that we must solve humanities problems together etcetera and abiding who if he's clear in his brain for some short. And tries to say the same the whole immediately after he gets a question at the press conference do you still think that she Jinping the Chinese president would you still call him a dictator well I think it was fully nice here's I spent more than 60 hours with the Chinese president and yes I would and the answer is why and the question is from Biden because he runs a communist country that is different from ours dude you thought you were intellectual level that somebody who writes a punch you according to different principles definition the dictator I mean if you think somebody is a dictator you will treat that person his country in a different way from if you think he's just a different kind of leader from us but he's OK The United States of America and much of the Christian world cannot live without without somebody who is different threatening non believers don't do what we tell them to do and who do not accept mission so I believe that that has been speed up let's say since the last five to 10 years if I give you an example I think is now five years ago that the Congress passed a law and listen carefully a law which set off 1500 million dollars $1.5 billion / 5 years to train western journalists in writing negative stories about China I started done by the state agency or media in the United states now those of us who go to China or westerners who live here and see the complexities and the brothers and try to understand China and Chinese premises see it differently but that is where they are they need desperately to have enemies and if you don't have enemies and I don't see anything in China's foreign policy that is a threat to the United states it is not China that has its vessels outside California's coast or florida's coast it is the West that has all these vessels around China and the alphas all cooperation with Australia and the submarines that are there and they're Germans were in the in the in your waters or really international waters around you too and the Taiwan issue I don't see China doing these things to the West imagine I mean I it's not completely comparable but imagine that China was obsessed with arming away to become an independent state I wonder how Washington would character something like that and therefore you invent you are enemies if you want enemies it's easier to make it you know how Russia you're not part of the African world and it's the global S you have China that you declare don't follow us are different from us think differently and therefore they are our enemies this is very dangerous and very sad because we could thanks so much for working together and I can still only hope that there will be somebody who comes to their senses and it will not be viable and it will not be trump and change America from the inside because the moment America with all its resources creativity and ideas and history and knowledge the door to become apparently in the world not somebody who insist on dominating over everybody else there will be much better place than the United states will be a much better place so I'm looking for a peaceful revolution where the Americans will arise to say enough is enough with your empire and militaries we want a good society here and we want to be friends well the only candidate who say that at the moment is Robert Kennedy junior Robert F Kennedy junior but it remains to be seen whether he will have a chance to become a president I doubt it but we'll see well if you look at what I would call the social cosmology of the West it's very much made-up of centerpiece one God one kings either or thinking male or female left or right not both end all of it is handicapped by being a culture of mission or missionary you have the French word civilizational Michael simplicity is the idea that we are supposed has #1 bold you remember it was one called the first word of the Second World the third world and the 4th world that by the first one there's this idea that we shall all move up to become like the West Europe and the United and that idea of course is everywhere willing colonialists at times in Africa or elsewhere but the liberation movements in the 60s they said we do not want to be we don't want to have your system whether it's Christianity or it's your way of thinking of human rights or whatever and you have the same question here in in China with the opening up of Nixon and Jewelers and meeting via the collection of chess freeman and Kissinger that the hope was that if we open up to China we will actually change two things one we will see to it that China and Russia will not be the ganging up against us we will split you and secondly we hope China will go our way become a multi party system where the capitalist economy and they'll be like us this be like us is over this would be like also become like us is over and that's what the Americans cannot understand they still believe that they have to lead the world is must be led by the Americans and the reason they can't see it and they are in denial is that it's going down not the US state or society but as an empire and all empires go down there's no empire that hasn't existed forever so you may say the United states today is Titanic the West is sitting as restaurants in Titanic and the water is coming up around the windows now instead of them reaching out and say OK our time is over we will be one among many and we will cooperate with you what they do is they insist on one thing and that is to dominate by means of deception the Americans don't do diplomacy diplomacy anymore they sent weapons and pouring weapons because that's what they are best at but no country can survive with just being strong in one sense for instance military if you become politically weak you become economically weak you become psychologically weak you become weak in terms of international law and legitimacy then you are on your way down a strong country is 1 which has high level on all power indicators and do not over militarize and neglect the other power scales the United states has you can say being that military industrial media academic complex these are in needs who have common interests with each other such as producing weapons selling weapons using weapons destroying countries rebuilding countries again but they do not have any common interest with the people in their countries outside democratic control and who said that possible Dwight D Eisenhower in 1960 or one or two whenever he made his farewell speech it's a very famous speech by a man who was a general himself who set the United states has developed a military industrial complex he didn't call it remark as I do and we need to put it in the control to remain a democracy what is undermined very very clearly now is pluralist open media and our democracy in the West because everything is now geared to warfarin militarism more more more there's nobody who stops to think there's nobody who stops to think about the long term consequences of pouring in weapons and never solving the conflicts you just look at what goes on now and you smell the country that had so much weaponry already had nuclear weapons have had a special agreement with weapons for the United states $5 billion a year I don't know for how many is what is the first reaction in Washington we must transfer each transfer even more as to Israel this is a sick society it's a sick way of thinking and of course this whole thing has to do with as I said before the brown the unrealistic dream illusion that if we can get rid of Russia as an opponent and we could we created that opponent ourselves because they're never invaded a NATO country they hope that they can concentrate all natural resources on a Cold War or God forbid a hot war against China you just got to later front page and you look at these threat perception nature is not characterized to be something like a church you either believe in this nonsense or you don't there's never an argument for natural language the text is China is a threat or a challenge because China is different from us China has different interests from us in the West now if that's how you define a threat, anybody around the world basically is right so the whole thing is the military industrial complex lives from finding enemies because if you don't have enemies or say you have enemies or point somebody or make enemies you can't legitimate your own arms development and the military industrial media academic complex will fall apart. Long story short here I think is that I wouldn't trust that the Americans are going to change much unless there is a people's revolution and nonviolent not the stupid thing that that we saw on 6th of January 2 years ago but if there is an uprising in the United states saying no more militarism we want a good society here we want cooperation will China and everybody else in the world we need to cooperate to solve managers and my mental problems poverty problems infrastructure problems all these things we're wasting every hour for humanities and our children's future by militarism and warfare now I know that China is the second largest military power on earth and it has nuclear weapons I have a problem with that but that's my problem story short is that China wants cooperation it works in Belton Rd. initiative it won't keep good for relationship with the US you're welcome do things we don't like in the West but is not a reason to have a Cold War against it it's a reason to talk with so therefore these meetings are important but we need much more dialogue in terms of online thinking we need in NGO's working together we need cultural people working together in parenthesis I'm also not photographer and trying to do an exhibition in China about dialogue and those types of things that can soften the hardliners undermine the hardware school and if you ask me Taiwan it's all simple it's China it's tall and it's very clear in the communication between July and Nixon I think it's #12 is a very large document very clearly saying the United states will not interfere in this issue and so we have a one China policy it does all the things that you can do in Taiwan and I have a huge problem with that I'm not going to talk about saying that in the West but if we keep on doing this we can only hope that China will be patient enough for long enough for the United states to sink on its own in that destructive self militarization but I would wish as somebody who has never hated the US I've never been anti US or mentally American as they say and the column for them you know I work with American scholars every day that the United states will come to its senses and begin to see itself as one partner of the world and not a dominator and imperialist and militarist I think it's possible possibility of rising from below in the western world and say enough is enough I'm looking for democracy to work that way you're not looking for Biden or or plump think Logan changed the system we need a system change in the West well they can't be peace in the world without the two biggest countries in the economy is working together again I would have hoped that the European Union would be helpful the European Union could have been in the way between Americans hardline anti China policies on China but with from the lion obviously being more or less you know propagator of Washington having no independent mind or thinking of the ocean union with Mr. Burrell who's basically a racist remember his statement about the paradise in Europe and the jungle outside that is dangerous there's not much out there either I was unbeliever in the European Union because I thought it could be another West with the more intelligent dialogue policies east West North and South than the empire over there were in Washington was but I was wrong so I'm not hearing optimistic on the short run in the long run I'm optimistic because the day the US empire has fallen nature wouldn't fall apart there's no NATO without US leadership militarism to create a multipolar peaceful cooperative world I hope I live long enough to see that materialize.